Couple of points re batting here. One thing not mentioned about Vihari is he club were unsure if Malan would ever get his visa. So I wonder if at the time if signing they anticipated it was going to be for half a season. I think the finances of it are irrelevant. That budget was set aside for wages and there would have been some sort of rebate on Malan being delayed.

Techniques of players I have had chance to take a good look at with youtube. Hain seems to get his leg side set-up out of the way once he's set. So that comment someone made about there being a mental problem I agree is part of the malaise - especially these two knocks when he's been well set. I also had no idea before today how awkward looking Matt Lamb was at the crease. Both these two just skittled by Paterson I reckon could have been avoided with a better off side technique.

Having said all that, I think we might be more on the way up than the way down. Most of the batting order are in the right position, they've done it all at least once before and everyone knows their jobs. A bit more experience I think things could change. Might even get a score above 250 soon.

Thanks for the insight coolerking. I've been watching a bit this morning (Hey, its Friday) and paying keen attention to Hain's backlift. Seems he is very strongly set to leg side now, shuffling across the crease, opens up, bat is coming down pointing to gully. So he plays to on all the time and looks very awkward playing on the off side. It was noted that he used to play like Trott, though people don't say that anymore. Could that be because he's adjusted his game so strongly to one day cricket? He's still young, he can adjust. Hope out batting coach has picked this up but be interesting to hear what him himself is thinking.

Bit harsh on Vihari, he's only been in the UK a few days and first net was yesterday. As others have posted the consistent failure to knock over the lower half of the order was the problem here. It would have been easier for Vihari to bat from number five at a different part of the day as opposed to first drop at around 1845 with Broad steaming in.

I didn't watch any of yesterday, but how did the bowling fall away? Did Notts just bat well? Did we run out of steam? Or were they just following bad plans? I can remember England having g the same problem.

I'm finding myself in agreement with the above points re extra batsmen, especially as I saw the tweet with Vihari in kit at the ground, suggests he is available to play tomorrow. I think overall the feeling I had last season was we hadn't reached the bottom of our slump yet - but I sense we're on the way up now. However, one thing I don't think has been addressed is variation and strike power in the bowling to finish teams off. What took on Derbyshire was almost exclusively right arm medium - fine when it's earlier and damp but not afternoon and drying. Adding Stone for some straight up speed or getting a left armer from somewhere I suspect must be next priority. Not being able to knock Derbyshire over sooner, in either innings, was chief among the reasons we couldn't win there.

As Andy says, would have taken it at the start of the day. Any thoughts, however, that we might just have let that slip a bit from 11/3? The last pair hung around a while, we're not sure how strong our batting is and we lost a wicket late in the day? I'm going to remain nervous overnight... But I'll bet this situation is something Sibbo dreams of.