Tayls79
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I don't think any need to get too down on that. Lost to a more settled side playing away from home. I get the point we have some more established test players but cohesiveness is important and we're still building. I don't agree with bringing Yates in, unless it's for Latham, just costs us firepower if he's in for Smith. Smith bats at 7 or 8 with the gloves it's a balanced side and I'm sure that's the plan. Just don't know when we see it.
A lot of good points up the feed. I watched a fair bit of todays game, only really surprised it wasn't an even bigger win as there was plenty that could have been improved on. First good look I've had of Garton and impressed at all parts of his game and agree he could be a fraction tighter. Could have said this about all the bowlers though, as someone said the Ali's and Briggs were the only consistently accurate bowlers.
Batting a similar story, but we did lose wickets at some pretty inopportune times, ie both Davies and Latham when accelerating, Hain just after two dominant boundaries and then the two in two in the penultimate over. Nae bother though, improve a little bit more and we could have a very serious side going on there and it's balanced well. Gleeson to come, I presume, but who does he come in for? I suspect he is 12th at the moment. Bethell up top would be a great addition too but think he might well miss the lot this year.
Didn't watch but happy to get off the mark. Derbyshire tomorrow, the only other team below us. If we can carry on like that it's a good sign. I like the way the spilt apart Hain and Latham in the batting order, think that will be necessary. Hope for his own development Kai Smith gets the gloves at some point but Davies less of an issue keeping, captaining and opening in this format - I guess. Does he look stressed still?
I think they will go with this or alternatively Lintott for Miles (a lot of emphasis was placed on spin in blast last year).
With regard the pride branding. Yeah, it's a bit over-the-top but literally every corporate does it. The more people do it the easier it is to ignore and it totally passes me by these days. Doesn't really have any effect on the majority of us.
BristolBear wrote:
Mousley and Hassan are massive returns.
Mousley’s bowling is really reliable in this format, aggressive with the bat and he’s an excellent fielder.
I’d go with:
Davies
Ali
Hain
Latham
Barnard
Mousley
Smith
Garton
Ali
Briggs
Miles7 bowling options (if Garton bowls), batting ability down to 9.
We actually know very little about him.
It was either a masterpiece of talent spotting by England or a punt that has so far paid off, but he hasn't got a great deal of history with Warwickshire, indeed I think his highest red ball and white scores have been at full international level. As I result, I really don't know how he goes from here. Maybe he is a one-trick pony, Bazball dasher and that's the end of it, he becomes less desirable in a more subdued situation or even era. Maybe he really does have the talent to adapt to any circumstance. Genuinely don't know.
Like I say up the feed, I also don't know if he walks straight into the test side this summer. The Bazball era seems to feauture long-term loyalty to players and Crawley and Pope both scored centuries last innings (I think he only slots in at #2 or #3). I'm 55:45 he won't play in the first test, which begs the real question of what he does do this summer.
I suppose there is also the possibility they talk up his bowling and he replaces Bashir down the order, #7 maybe...
paulbear wrote:
The thing is with Bethell is that we know he can do the 'Bazball' thing but we really have no idea what he will play like when England might be 6 down and he is batting with numbers 8-11. Has he got the patience to knock the ball around, try and take 70%+ of the strike and try and build a good total for his team. We haven't seen this side of him really and I am not sure how he would play this situation.
Got to say never paid so much interest to 2nd XI games as these last couple as a rangefinder for the first team. Of today's I think Kai Smith was probably the most useful contribution. Though he came in at five that's the sort if impetus we need from seven in the first team and a good indicator they want him to take the gloves - which is needed to balance the side.
Not sure how much Garton took from it but his figures seem OK and must help as I think management want him back in the firsts. Yates obviously had the most success today but I think it slightly muddies the water. Having a firing Yates means he can only really replace Latham and that doesn't add much firepower to our side.
Shame. Because I love a good 2.
ITE7376 wrote:
A vast amount of statistical evidence and analysis has shown that scoring 1s and 2s absolutely doesn't do any good in winning T20 games, I'm afraid, you only effectively 'move the score on' with 1s and 2s if you are chasing or happy with a sub-par score.
Like Paul's point of keeping the ball on the floor. I always deem a white ball knock to be going well if batsmen are getting a decent proportion of 2s. Suggests good placement. Regular singles are important too but even 5 or 6 singles an over can keep you behind the rate if you aren't getting anything more.
Indeed, I was wondering if FC status myself. With the Zim game not being FC Dan could have been robbed of some good numbers here. In any case, I think this time with England should do him some good. It seems to be he is focusing on his batting which I think will do him a lot of good.
GerryShedd wrote:
Congratulations to Dan, though apparently, Cricket Archive are saying that the match is not first class (but others are saying that it is - the jury is out and the world holds its breath).
Still not sure about this. I think it's still in the balance between Jacob and Pope for three - and 4 - 7 in the England order is inked in so has to be there. Pope scored a big century in his last international appearance. Stokes' slightly confused words and tetchy clarification seemed to suggest a decision hadn't been made yet. Pope's a pretty talented player too and may be around for a few years as well.
KingofSpain wrote:
As I've said before, we won't see much of him playing for the Bears for the next 10 years. He is employed by England now.
Yeah that is true Terry - credit where it's due. In my mind at least, a bit more expectation on this one though.
Think you all said everything needed to
re the timing of the declaration. What I would add, linking to the white ball knock outs in the last few years as well, is the team seem to struggle when they need to find a win. Having said all that: from a check on the table, they're actually still in touch at the top though I think it's a few years before they have a realistic pop at winning the CC.
Ah OK. If that's correct it's probably less than 60 overs. As you infer thohgh ... who knows!
paulbear wrote:
The official Met Office site - Not saying it will be correct but, Rain in Worcester 60% chance from 1200-1400, 70% chance from 1400-1600, 60% chance from 1600-1700 and 80% chance 1700-1800.
Ah OK. If that's correct it's probably less than 60 overs. As you infer thohgh ... who knows!
paulbear wrote:
The official Met Office site - Not saying it will be correct but, Rain in Worcester 60% chance from 1200-1400, 70% chance from 1400-1600, 60% chance from 1600-1700 and 80% chance 1700-1800.
I don't know what forecast people are looking at but BBC and met check are both saying just chances or showers from 1300?? Could easily get 60 overs in, which on the basis of what has happened so far is enough to get eight wickers but not enough for Worcs to get the runs to win.
In the squad along with Rushworth, Simmonds and Kai Smith. Be interesting to see who gets picked, wouldn't want to predict. I've mentioned it before, but I think the real limit on Woakes isn't some ECB mandate, more that his fitness will dictate what he can do.
Bethell and Mousley are interesting here. The former I am not too sure given England white ball internationals and IPL. The latter should have a big role though as per the other chat - we're not sure what role. He played a larger role with the ball last year but would really want to see more responsibility or contribution with the bat.
I can't quite get too upset at this, as we said lost it on Friday evening. It's a forming team, we knew we would lose at some point and we're still in an OK position. The keeping problem (which I think is the crux Davies' triple role) is harder to resolve if you presume he keeps the gloves. If you shunt either him or Latham down the order you create a problem up top, we don't have cover there. I think what might happen is we limp through Worcs then hope someone's done enough with Kai for him to come back at 7 or 8. Bowlers I think will sort themselves out eventually and Simmons will get more overs next week.
Right. Latham at five is probably the best deal right now, presuming his broken hand can cope with it. I'd still want to see Kai back at some point this year though. I think his batting is fine and he needs FC experience to get better with the gloves.
Andy wrote:
I do think Kai has a long way to go with the gloves at the moment (I said during the winter he'll need to improve fast), you'd like to think he'll get there though. As a pure gloveman I think even Dandy in the academy is better right now. I must stress im a huge fan of Kai Smith. But at the same time I'm not comfortable with Davies captaining/keeping and opening, it just won't do. It's gonna hurt the team in the long run if he alone struggles in all 3 roles.
Surely we're asking to Latham to take the gloves soon and bat 5? If its not gonna be Kai, it can't be Davies.
I didn't see but presume Davies out playing a brain-dead shot again? Two innings in a row? I don't see how he could have been concentrating after a day keeping and captaining then steaight in to open. No-one should be combining these three roles. Burgess' retirement is clearly very inconvenient. Kai Smith really should be keeping. I mentioned it previous feed but Malik is a bit of a complication too, he's basically taken Smith's batting spot and with a match-winning 49 and a century he's suddenly undroppable.