Tayls79
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Did anyone see how young Kai went with the gloves over Somerset's innings? I know Andy said something along the lines of a bit untidy before, has there been any move on that? After so many overs in the field, good to see Davies play a patient and long knock, some validation that he wasn't burnt out keeping.
Yeah whether it's been a success or not is a different matter. I'm not sure the most recent tours to India and Australia have really validated this policy either!
Reabank wrote:
Does look like another nailed on draw. Like the Sussex and Surrey games. I can see you might want to encourage point of difference bowlers but not sure our flat pitches plus the kookaburra helps anybody very much.
I don't think it's conspiracy, I think the ECB have almost explicitly said they want this and for exactly the reasons you state Bristol: encourage real speed bowlers, good spinner etc, hence the Kookaburra rounds as well. They have again said they want a more competitive team for dry and flat pitches in Australia and India, etc. It is the reason I was proposing Garton and Hassan for this game too - point of difference bowlers.
Good knowledge!
Yeah, fully expected him to be released, just hypothesising on the concussion sub. Reckon Joverton an excellent deputy for Olly Pope as a substitute.
Andy wrote:
Englamd are releasing him Saturday evening, him and Sam Cook. Joverton retained.
Just wondering: Concussion substitute? Don't get me wrong I think should and will play for us on Sunday but it is a reason England could keep him with the squad.
Yeah, you kind of get the feeling it's time for action with Davies' triple role now (Though who knows what will happen). Reluctantly I agree he keeps the gloves and drops down the order, but I think Bethell will go three on England instructions and Davies five. Is Hassan Ali contracted for T20 only? ie unavailable for this one? With the Aussie spinner and no Booth or Webster, he could fit in and provide some much needed sharpness in the attack.
I'm not sure where he is with availability right now, but I'd like to see Garton do some red ball. Might do him some good to just bowl without someone going after him every ball and he could definitely do a batting job at that tricky number 8 spot.
Think he has to play. He hasn't played a red ball game in the UK since last season. Unlike Woakes, he doesn't have a chronic injury to manage either so should be fine. My feeling is this isn't a recent decision, although was announced today, Stokes' grumpy backpedalling from a few weeks ago sort of let you know what that thinking was.
I don't think any need to get too down on that. Lost to a more settled side playing away from home. I get the point we have some more established test players but cohesiveness is important and we're still building. I don't agree with bringing Yates in, unless it's for Latham, just costs us firepower if he's in for Smith. Smith bats at 7 or 8 with the gloves it's a balanced side and I'm sure that's the plan. Just don't know when we see it.
A lot of good points up the feed. I watched a fair bit of todays game, only really surprised it wasn't an even bigger win as there was plenty that could have been improved on. First good look I've had of Garton and impressed at all parts of his game and agree he could be a fraction tighter. Could have said this about all the bowlers though, as someone said the Ali's and Briggs were the only consistently accurate bowlers.
Batting a similar story, but we did lose wickets at some pretty inopportune times, ie both Davies and Latham when accelerating, Hain just after two dominant boundaries and then the two in two in the penultimate over. Nae bother though, improve a little bit more and we could have a very serious side going on there and it's balanced well. Gleeson to come, I presume, but who does he come in for? I suspect he is 12th at the moment. Bethell up top would be a great addition too but think he might well miss the lot this year.
Didn't watch but happy to get off the mark. Derbyshire tomorrow, the only other team below us. If we can carry on like that it's a good sign. I like the way the spilt apart Hain and Latham in the batting order, think that will be necessary. Hope for his own development Kai Smith gets the gloves at some point but Davies less of an issue keeping, captaining and opening in this format - I guess. Does he look stressed still?
I think they will go with this or alternatively Lintott for Miles (a lot of emphasis was placed on spin in blast last year).
With regard the pride branding. Yeah, it's a bit over-the-top but literally every corporate does it. The more people do it the easier it is to ignore and it totally passes me by these days. Doesn't really have any effect on the majority of us.
BristolBear wrote:
Mousley and Hassan are massive returns.
Mousley’s bowling is really reliable in this format, aggressive with the bat and he’s an excellent fielder.
I’d go with:
Davies
Ali
Hain
Latham
Barnard
Mousley
Smith
Garton
Ali
Briggs
Miles7 bowling options (if Garton bowls), batting ability down to 9.
We actually know very little about him.
It was either a masterpiece of talent spotting by England or a punt that has so far paid off, but he hasn't got a great deal of history with Warwickshire, indeed I think his highest red ball and white scores have been at full international level. As I result, I really don't know how he goes from here. Maybe he is a one-trick pony, Bazball dasher and that's the end of it, he becomes less desirable in a more subdued situation or even era. Maybe he really does have the talent to adapt to any circumstance. Genuinely don't know.
Like I say up the feed, I also don't know if he walks straight into the test side this summer. The Bazball era seems to feauture long-term loyalty to players and Crawley and Pope both scored centuries last innings (I think he only slots in at #2 or #3). I'm 55:45 he won't play in the first test, which begs the real question of what he does do this summer.
I suppose there is also the possibility they talk up his bowling and he replaces Bashir down the order, #7 maybe...
paulbear wrote:
The thing is with Bethell is that we know he can do the 'Bazball' thing but we really have no idea what he will play like when England might be 6 down and he is batting with numbers 8-11. Has he got the patience to knock the ball around, try and take 70%+ of the strike and try and build a good total for his team. We haven't seen this side of him really and I am not sure how he would play this situation.
Got to say never paid so much interest to 2nd XI games as these last couple as a rangefinder for the first team. Of today's I think Kai Smith was probably the most useful contribution. Though he came in at five that's the sort if impetus we need from seven in the first team and a good indicator they want him to take the gloves - which is needed to balance the side.
Not sure how much Garton took from it but his figures seem OK and must help as I think management want him back in the firsts. Yates obviously had the most success today but I think it slightly muddies the water. Having a firing Yates means he can only really replace Latham and that doesn't add much firepower to our side.
Shame. Because I love a good 2.
ITE7376 wrote:
A vast amount of statistical evidence and analysis has shown that scoring 1s and 2s absolutely doesn't do any good in winning T20 games, I'm afraid, you only effectively 'move the score on' with 1s and 2s if you are chasing or happy with a sub-par score.
Like Paul's point of keeping the ball on the floor. I always deem a white ball knock to be going well if batsmen are getting a decent proportion of 2s. Suggests good placement. Regular singles are important too but even 5 or 6 singles an over can keep you behind the rate if you aren't getting anything more.
Indeed, I was wondering if FC status myself. With the Zim game not being FC Dan could have been robbed of some good numbers here. In any case, I think this time with England should do him some good. It seems to be he is focusing on his batting which I think will do him a lot of good.
GerryShedd wrote:
Congratulations to Dan, though apparently, Cricket Archive are saying that the match is not first class (but others are saying that it is - the jury is out and the world holds its breath).
Still not sure about this. I think it's still in the balance between Jacob and Pope for three - and 4 - 7 in the England order is inked in so has to be there. Pope scored a big century in his last international appearance. Stokes' slightly confused words and tetchy clarification seemed to suggest a decision hadn't been made yet. Pope's a pretty talented player too and may be around for a few years as well.
KingofSpain wrote:
As I've said before, we won't see much of him playing for the Bears for the next 10 years. He is employed by England now.
Yeah that is true Terry - credit where it's due. In my mind at least, a bit more expectation on this one though.
Think you all said everything needed to
re the timing of the declaration. What I would add, linking to the white ball knock outs in the last few years as well, is the team seem to struggle when they need to find a win. Having said all that: from a check on the table, they're actually still in touch at the top though I think it's a few years before they have a realistic pop at winning the CC.
Ah OK. If that's correct it's probably less than 60 overs. As you infer thohgh ... who knows!
paulbear wrote:
The official Met Office site - Not saying it will be correct but, Rain in Worcester 60% chance from 1200-1400, 70% chance from 1400-1600, 60% chance from 1600-1700 and 80% chance 1700-1800.