Ah OK. If that's correct it's probably less than 60 overs. As you infer thohgh ... who knows!

paulbear wrote:

The official Met Office site - Not saying it will be correct but, Rain in Worcester 60% chance from 1200-1400, 70% chance from 1400-1600, 60% chance from 1600-1700 and 80% chance 1700-1800.

I don't know what forecast people are looking at but BBC and met check are both saying just chances or showers from 1300?? Could easily get 60 overs in, which on the basis of what has happened so far is enough to get eight wickers but not enough for Worcs to get the runs to win.

In the squad along with Rushworth, Simmonds and Kai Smith. Be interesting to see who gets picked, wouldn't want to predict. I've mentioned it before, but I think the real limit on Woakes isn't some ECB mandate, more that his fitness will dictate what he can do.

Bethell and Mousley are interesting here. The former I am not too sure given England white ball internationals and IPL. The latter should have a big role though as per the other chat - we're not sure what role. He played a larger role with the ball last year but would really want to see more responsibility or contribution with the bat.

I can't quite get too upset at this, as we said lost it on Friday evening. It's a forming team, we knew we would lose at some point and we're still in an OK position. The keeping problem (which I think is the crux Davies' triple role) is harder to resolve if you presume he keeps the gloves. If you shunt either him or Latham down the order you create a problem up top, we don't have cover there. I think what might happen is we limp through Worcs then hope someone's done enough with Kai for him to come back at 7 or 8. Bowlers I think will sort themselves out eventually and Simmons will get more overs next week.

Right. Latham at five is probably the best deal right now, presuming his broken hand can cope with it. I'd still want to see Kai back at some point this year though. I think his batting is fine and he needs FC experience to get better with the gloves.

Andy wrote:

I do think Kai has a long way to go with the gloves at the moment (I said during the winter he'll need to improve fast), you'd like to think he'll get there though. As a pure gloveman I think even Dandy in the academy is better right now. I must stress im a huge fan of Kai Smith. But at the same time I'm not comfortable with Davies captaining/keeping and opening, it just won't do. It's gonna hurt the team in the long run if he alone struggles in all 3 roles.

Surely we're asking to Latham to take the gloves soon and bat 5? If its not gonna be Kai, it can't be Davies.

I didn't see but presume Davies out playing a brain-dead shot again? Two innings in a row? I don't see how he could have been concentrating after a day keeping and captaining then steaight in to open. No-one should be combining these three roles. Burgess' retirement is clearly very inconvenient. Kai Smith really should be keeping. I mentioned it previous feed but Malik is a bit of a complication too, he's basically taken Smith's batting spot and with a match-winning 49 and a century he's suddenly undroppable.

Yeah true. But seemed his batting dropped off with that higher profile. Definitely true overall that 100 was a hindrance. I guess the shortness of the format makes it hard for any below top 4.

Andy wrote:

He was already doing that for us though in the Blast. Just everybody knows about it now because he did it in the Hundred.

Agree with you Andy that the 100 has hindered him though I think in a different way. He has bowled in that with some success, with death 75mph seam-up darts. And it's that which has damaged his batting.

Andy wrote:

To echo what's been previously said, he looks like a bit of a 'bits and pieces' cricketer in red ball at the moment, he can give you some ok overs, he's probably not good enough to bat in the top 5 but he's a nice player to have coming in at 6 or 7 so...

Feel like the Hundred hinders him, feel like he'd benefit hugely from batting in the top 4 for us in the ODC and building an innings. Instead he goes the Hundred, faces a few balls and barely bowls...

Having said this he has huge potential and he he does strike me as the sort of player who once he does get that first ton might get on a bit of a roll.

Seems to get out bowled or LBW a lot which suggests that if you just bowl straight at him he'll miss one.

He's down the pecking order for our 4day side for now though...

Hope this works out well for him. Obviously means he doesn't play the next CC game yet still exposed to a level higher than 2ndXI (I presume). Interesting to see what Mouse concentrates in most this year. Was a bit of a mixed picture last season. Love to see him kick on in CC but looks like he may end up being a white ball specialist.

Indeed, saw that Wisden had him down for both the England white ball teams. In days gone by you would just assume the international games take priority - these days still not sure if the IPL takes precedence or not...

GerryShedd wrote:

The Club seem confident that he will be playing for England at Edgbaston:
https://edgbaston.com/news/bethell-set-to-play-for-england-at-edgbaston/

I notice the IPL is back on again and Jacob's team are top of the table. I guess that means he's going back. Any thoughts in when he gets back what he's going to focus on? I presume a lot of Blast with a view to England white ball seeing as he's barely played in the IPL. Is there a run of red ball ahead of the England v India test series?

The bowlers may beg to differ but that was a decent result in my opinion. We had the better of the game, had we lost it would have been at a bad time. Bamber I think needs to rest for the next game - anyone know how far away Rushworth or Woakes are to replace him? I hear the former wad playing league cricket at the weekend but perhaps too soon for a CC on Friday.

Yeah, looks like it's been dealt with quite sympathetically. He could also be in need of a rest. Quite tough work to go straight into four day keeping and he hasn't always had the gloves in top flight white ball either. For sure though, we need him and hope he's back keeping soon.

Andy wrote:

I do think he has a bit of a way to go with the gloves...I'm not for one second saying he's looked bad but he has looked a bit untidy at times. Burgess looked the same when he first arrived and he ended being terrific though...

Zen Malik has presented an interesting problem. Mousley and Sheikh have sit this one out, Malik gets a ton to go with his 49 breaking the back of the Yorkshire win. Presumably the last batsman is his now - wouldn't have expected that.

Agree, good start, annoying Davies got out (anyone see it? bowled against a part-time spinner?) but if that's the only loss so be it. A dead pitch and seven batsmen each might suit us for a draw actually. Surrey are a better team than us and we have picked up enough wins outside this game.

Personally think would weaken us for this to happen - keeping, captaining and opening is a tough combination and as certain members of this forum have reminded us, he could be getting more runs and wouldn't want to imperil this. I also think Kai has been OK so far, especially with the bat, so tough to drop him. If he's at eight with Webster or Barnard at 7 think the batting is strong enough. I'm with you on Miles, I think he's had enough of a chance at FC cricket, only way I'd play him is if he's had a stellar time with the seconds. Which I don't think he has.

KingofSpain wrote:

Is it possible for Davies to take the gloves and enable us to play an extra batsman? I would like either Ali or Simmons to play, depending on conditions. Miles has never been good enough for division one cricket.

It had to be Booth rested for overseas player quota. Simmonds, OHD and Bamber would be my pick of bowlers. Miles very similar to the others. Guess Taz there to cover spinning pitch.

Too many moving parts to really guess at this stage. If Latham is fit then they have said he bats three and replaces Sheikh which does make sense. Think Hamza needs to get some fluency in his game for the 2s. I'll bet the club wanted Simmons in there to replace Booth but have seen his form in the 2s as well and agree would be a risk. I don't think we really want to have to pick Miles against Surrey. Personally would go Simmons on potential but who knows what the club will do. I think Bamber should be able to get one more game in before rest. Yorks weren't huge innings and he had a break of over a week before that.

Right. I support Spurs and this is all eerily familar with injuries. If it's a mechanical physical injury would be easy to say just that. Anything brewing they would keep quiet I guess.

GerryShedd wrote:

I hope the problem with Sam Hain is a short-term injury. I have felt that he has been out of sorts all season so I hope that it isn't a problem that has been brewing in the background.