Cant recall Surrey having an exceptional amount of white ball success and i think we've won the County Championship twice since Notts last won it. Think Essex have probably had more recent success than both to be fair.

We got Barnard in, other counties were interested. Rushworth got his contract at Durham torn up to come here. Moeen came here, other counties were interested. A very attractive offer got put Saqib Mahmoods way, he chose to stay at Lancs, that ain't on us. All within the past 12 months. We got Alex Davies in the season prior, other counties were in for him.

We recruit heavily in comparison to most other counties and we're still losing cup games so what is it?

We certainly don't have a predominantly "homegrown" squad.

The likes of Pennington, Haynes and Tongue (he'll be on the treatment table a lot, in fact he is right now) being Bears players wouldnt have changed today's result.

KingofSpain wrote:

mad wrote:

Any more making the short trip over from Warwicks?

Henry Brookes can go with his brother. He might fare better there under the guidance of Alan Richardson.

Pretty sure he's still under contract...

KingofSpain wrote:

meashambear wrote:

ExiledBrummie wrote:

Not just the management etc, I do wonder if some of our players are just not as good as we think they are. For example, Hain aside would you ever trust any of our batters in a tough situation? We need better quality/attitude.

Yes, I agree but that too comes down to the management as it is them that recruit & hand out the contracts. Cricket has a much smaller pool of players and clubs than football but if the coach & DOF (and therefore should know the players characters well enough)at one of the biggest clubs in the country were constantly getting hammered when in the knock out stages of competitions they would be out on their backsides. This is not good enough for Warwickshire.

Bears fans deserve better. We are a test match ground county and are always outbid on the recruitment front by the likes of Notts and Surrey.

And I bet we've had more success than both in the past 10 years. How do you know we get "outbid" for the players those counties recruit? Do we really want to be poachers like Notts?

Tough pitch and some rancid umpiring but goodness me some poor cricket has been played here.

Nightmare, total nightmare in so many different ways. Some people will be here for the first time today and they witness this!

Terrible from Yates

Hain IN. Davies OUT (back)

No Mousley, no Benjamin as Robbo wants to stick, generally, with the players who got us this far.

Had to scroll back pretty far to find my poachers comment...and had to think back VERY far to some of those signings you mention some of them signed over 10 years ago, some almost 15 years ago!

Assuming the guys from the other comp are available and the club intend to use them (assuming Woakes is ruled out by ECB and Moeen in T20 squad) are we looking at a line up of

Yates
Barnard
Rhodes
Hain
Mousley
Burgess
E Brookes
Lintott
H Brookes
Briggs
OHD

?

Really hope Worcestershire can win this. I feel like Hampshire have our number in white ball cricket.

Trott played.

BristolBear wrote:

Last year there was a rule that an overseas player had to have played in the group stages to play in the knock out rounds. They got rid of that this year.

Even though it could be a big advantage for us to have the likes of Hain, Mousley and Woakes back.
I do feel like it’s wrong. Players who were part of the hundred should had to have played in the group stages or played a minimum number of group stage games to come back.
Seems unjust and unfair otherwise.
Depending on the result in the Hundred eliminator, the likes of Hampshire could get Vince, Dawson, Howell, Whiteley, Wood, Crane, Weatherly and Wheal back for the quarter, semi and final. Thats a brand new team. Which is obviously ridiculous.

I didn't know that. Until this year players couldn't be released from the other comp to play the ODC so that makes no sense?

Take Chris Benjamin for example, is he really part of our best List A side? I'm not sure he is.

Did Woakes play in the other competition? I know after the Ashes he mentioned he was feeling his quad a bit?

Fairly sure he has played for Shropshire recently yes. He started off in Staffordshire CCC pathway before joining us at under 14 level. Very new to spin bowling (this season I think?), very much seen as a strong white ball player at the moment.

I wouldn't pick any of them personally. I'd only be picking players that played for us in the group stages ideally. Only way I'd go away from that is if we had injuries.

The likes of Woakes and Hain are probably some of my favourite ever Warwickshire players...

But

The lads who have played in the group phase are the ones who have done the heavy lifting and they've done it well. Can't think of anyone who has played in the one day cup for us this season who hasn't done well at some point.

Apart from Davies obviously...

I'd like to take the time to remind everyone again that some people wanted Ed Barnard dropped 3 weeks ago...

Fair play to Briggs, calm head when others were seriously losing theirs.

Blimey, Gloucestershire won quickly...

Frustrating, Yates was looking good and just felt he needed a score. Terrific delivery to get him though.

See my previous post further up, I felt at the time he'd been hard done by.

I thought Sussex batted really well at the death. Its an incredibly fast, high, scoring ground with a particularly fast outfield. H Brookes will come in for criticism, naturally, but OHD was going at atleast 12's at the death. He's entitled to an off day though. It happens.

I think overall we were pretty decent, the bowling figures don't necessarily tell the while story here. Ibrahim played a very intelligent innings and Foreman was bright. The opposition are allowed to play well. 275 is probably par. Should win, a couple of our batters probably need a score so it's a good opportunity.