Bald_Reynard
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Andy wrote:
Difficult to predict the XI tomorrow. Really depend on conditions I suppose. Allinson and Beard being amongst Essex squad would suggest pitch will favour seam. Essex spinners would be playing regardless of the conditions due to their quality and batting ability (Critchley). Chance Rae and Simmons play? Rae and Briggs more likely?
My bet is Simmons and Briggs to be left out - they'll give Lintott a bash, see if he can better Briggs' contribution this season.
Andy wrote:
Underperforming academy too re. bowlers.
Truth is we've relied so heavily on recruitment for seam bowlers for such a long time now because we've had such a lack of seam bowling talent coming through our own pathway. And recruiting from other counties and overseas is so tricky, sometimes we've got it right, sometimes we've got it wrong.
Craig Miles, don't mean to pick on him, he's bowled ever so well on day 2 at the Oval but goodness me he's had some poor games for us and he's definitely had plenty of chances. Into his 6th season with us now, doubt a locally developed academy lad would have been given such an amount of opportunity.
Bowling coach situation hasn't helped either. That was such a huge blow when Pop Welch left, just look at what he did with OHD. Imagine what he might have done with Brookes, Garrett or Johal?
I maintain it was weird that we let Brookes, Garrett and Johal all walk during the same off season with the majority of our other seamers being over (well over) 30 years old. Not saying any of those 3 would have made a difference here but were looking rather short pretty quickly at the moment...
Re. squad make up. Olly Stone should still be here, even if he only plays 4 or 5 red ball games a season our chances of winning 2 or 3 of those games increase immeasurably because of him. We're crying out for somebody with a bit of pace (is Che Simmons worth a look here?). We let him walk because we only offered him a white ball only deal.
Talking of recruitment and white ball only Moeen Ali, Garton and Gleeson will all be on serious money. Money that i don't think would be sanctioned on the 4day side somehow. Since start of 2022 the messaging from the club has been clear: Blast is priority.
Comes back to the naked truth though that we don't have any seamers coming through the academy to bolster the squad. Most other counties have homegrown seamer(s) in there XI, were always scratching around and trying to poach from other counties. Would imagine we'll be bringing in somebody on loan this week...
You're spot on with the Moeen, Garton and Gleeson comment, Andy. Time after time, the Club are (financially) prioritising T20, at the expense of CC and 50 over. And as for bowler development, that has gone down the pan for so long (even when Pop was here - though I don't blame him for final selection - that is down to Robinson), that there has been no successful first team seam recruit from the Development squad since CW. And the only (English qualified) successes brought in, have been 'cast offs' from Yorkshire, Lancashire (a certain left armer, who was let go), Essex (another one let go, with something still to offer) & Durham - oh, not forgetting that 'beautiful burnt out star' from Gloucestershire!
BristolBear wrote:
But 1 piece of bad luck results in an understrength bowling attack?
Yeah, fair enough it’s bad luck Hassan got called up.
But it’s not bad luck that they didn’t already have a second overseas signed for the start of the season. It’s not bad luck they once again signed an overseas on short notice who’s underperforming.
It’s not bad luck that they signed 2 bowlers this off season but they both only play T20.
It’s not bad luck that they’re reliant upon a hugely injury prone player. It’s not bad luck they released a homegrown bowler who now starts for Kent.1 piece of bad luck shouldn’t result in essentially having 3 fit first team seamers, 2 now Miles is injured.
It’s a series of decisions that the club makes. Why is it other clubs seem to see this, but we don’t?
WELL SAID, Bristol!
white-lightning wrote:
So, bowler situation:
Woakes, unavailable at the IPL and not being selected.
Hasan Ali: unavailable and not being selected by Pakistan.
Norwell: Injured pectoral muscle and out for several weeks.
Rushworth: Injured calf and out for several weeks.
Michael Booth: (remember him?) Injured and out for several weeks
Craig Miles: Injured, not sure at length of absence?
Have I missed anyone??
No, don't think so !
It is a terrible state of affairs. I know people get injured and I'm sure the Physio's are doing their best to get everyone back and I know WE don't appear to be able to recall anyone contracted elsewhere (though other Counties seem to manage it !), but for goodness sake, surely the Club can be a lot more honest in their reporting of length of absence.
IF Norwell has bigger injury problems than his pecs, or Rushworth more than a calf strain - tell us straight - its sad, but we can take it. Tell us what's happening with Booth (injury / contract issues). Tell us when Woakesy will be back and able to play. Tell us (not immediately, obviously) how bad Miles' injury is and when Physio's EXPECT a return.
It's all to do with transparency and honesty to supporters.
Bald_Reynard wrote:
Andy wrote:
Might come in for Briggs...
I'd go with that (as would many on here), but I doubt management would - they love him in red ball, as much as white !
I think Yates, Mousley and Bethell are more than adequate spin options.
Believe it or not, but Briggs is left out. Team:-
Yates
Davies
Rhodes
Hain
Barnard
Bethell
Mousley
Burgess
Aamir Jamal
Miles
OHD
Batting long - but a few 'non-frontliners' in the bowling department ?
Surrey won the toss and chose to bowl.
Andy wrote:
Might come in for Briggs...
I'd go with that (as would many on here), but I doubt management would - they love him in red ball, as much as white !
I think Yates, Mousley and Bethell are more than adequate spin options.
Inside-edge wrote:
Called up to the Pakistan squad ahead of their tour of Ireland and England later this month.
https://edgbaston.com/news/hassan-ali-in-pakistan-squad-for-ireland-and-england-tours/
Away from us for 3 CC games (from 10 May) and at least one T20.
Team as expected, only change from the Durham game, is Hassan in for Rushworth.
We won the toss and (obviously, with the Kookaburra) chose to bat first. Of course, with this game (as with all except one this season), it is very likely there will be no result, other than a draw!
Andy wrote:
Maybe he's still finding his way after injury? Don't think he's a top 5 batter at the moment.
Going forward how would people feel about leaving Briggs out of the side in 4day cricket whilst using Yates and Mousley/Bethell to bowl the spin overs? For sure they'd still be times we'd pick Briggs on certain pitches against certain opponents but we could also have the option of leaving him out and playing an extra seamer or batter.
I definitely would leave Briggs out. Its not just how effective he's been in this match - he had a poor (red ball) season last year - only 9 wickets for 346 runs (in 135 overs). Yates, Bethell and Mousley can all cover spin needs (and with Briggs out, we can play all 3 as batsmen, or have an extra seamer).
Though, having said that, I do feel Lintott should be given more red ball opportunities - 193 overs in all the time he's been with us, is not really a fair crack of the whip. Last season, in the one CC game he played, he took 3 for 90, in 18 overs (as well as getting a 78).
BosworthBear wrote:
I hope we play well but the 13 man squad looks pretty poor!
We don't seem to be ready this season!
Inside-edge wrote:
To go out on short term loan to Glamorgan. Warwickshire have the option to recall if needed.
https://edgbaston.com/news/craig-miles-joins-glamorgan-on-short-term-loan/
https://edgbaston.com/fixtures/first-xi/warwickshire-v-leicestershire-friendly-26-march/
36 overs possible yesterday - Leics finished on 224 for 3.
Inside-edge wrote:
2nd XI friendly against Leicestershire due to start tomorrow (26th) has been called off.
I wonder if the First Team game is also off today. The morning weather forecast is reasonable and I expected a start by now - but Play.com Live scores don't show it.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/cricket/warwickshires-recruitment-id-potential-end-28849961
Cain's interview with the Mail didn't throw up too many surprises, but there was one thing that stood out. We're leaving it late to sign a second Overseas player. I guess a batsman - possibly one who might offer a backup spin option?
Will Porterfield has just gone to Lancashire as a Coach. Another ex-Bear finding a career away from Edgbaston.
Andy wrote:
Wylie in the XI today too, 2 wickets. I said it last season when they were both performing well that there is no way Warwickshire should be looking to sign another spinner before Wylie and Ali have had a proper go. Wylie looks a real good option in white ball cricket with his batting ability and Ali already has such excellent control.
Hamza surely gets a go in the 4 day side this season at some point.
Wylie took 4 for 42 off his 10 overs, which was pretty good, considering most other bowlers got well thumped!
Tazeem 1 for 46 off his 10.
Wylie opened and got 7, Shaikh, 14, but the batsmen generally couldn't stand up to the Aussie attack.
Andy wrote:
Made 77 off 49 today.
Where has he gone after Hobart? I can't see any competitions he'd be playing in.
I see Derbyshire have appointed Ben Smith as Batting Coach, in place of Belly. In their announcement, they wish Ian all the best, "in the next stage of his Coaching career". Could that be back at Edgbaston, in place of Frost? If so, it has been a long time, coming.